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# 21
12-10-2012, 03:36 AM
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Their favorite class???

Okay... Everyone needs to stop their dailies and read this that think game makers have a Favorite class.

Have you ever worked on a project for school? If you haven't then wait till your in highschool.

Well... Game developers take pride in what they make. It is like their baby. A game developer will love every detail of the game even if it is bad. The only parts a they won't like is usually the ones they have no power over (companies area of the game, Example: cash shop). Although game developers might not play every class, they know if not balance the players won't enjoy the game. It is really hard for a MMO like Forsaken World or WoW type to be completely balanced. The reason is, that they don't have 5,000 diffrent classes that can beat the others. These MMOs stick with around 4-8 diffret classes. Usually enough to have a variety, but not enough to make picking a challenge. Then there is games like League of Legends. There is so many champions that Riot can make new toons that can defeat other toons. Then those toons will have a weakness. So when 1 toon is really popular, it won't be long till the toon that can beat that one is found.

Making a game balanced and knowing 100% it is balanced is impossible. The problem comes to the players. The players are naturally good or bad. Some better then others. The bad players tend to call any class they lose to constantly OP. Not because they are OP, but becasue the player is bad. This makes it hard for a game to be balanced. Even if it was, no one would know.

Forsaken world is balanced far better then 80% of other F2P MMOs and a 50% P2P MMOs.




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Someone said something about certain trees being specified for PvP, which doesn't leave alot of room to make your own toon...

That is COMPLETELY wrong. No one is stopping you from doing another tree in PvP or making your own. People tell you what is best, but instead of experimenting you follow the leader and do as told. Then you complain about having no customization to the trees. There is 1 tree clearly made for PvP for every class. Who says you have to follow it? Why not make you own? Maybe a Hybrid? Mix it up. No one is stopping you but yourself.
You are spilling a lot of theoretical bs. Come Eryda get to 79/80 then repeat everything you just wrote.
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# 22
12-10-2012, 04:15 AM
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Their favorite class???

Okay... Everyone needs to stop their dailies and read this that think game makers have a Favorite class.

Have you ever worked on a project for school? If you haven't then wait till your in highschool.

Well... Game developers take pride in what they make. It is like their baby. A game developer will love every detail of the game even if it is bad. The only parts a they won't like is usually the ones they have no power over (companies area of the game, Example: cash shop). Although game developers might not play every class, they know if not balance the players won't enjoy the game. It is really hard for a MMO like Forsaken World or WoW type to be completely balanced. The reason is, that they don't have 5,000 diffrent classes that can beat the others. These MMOs stick with around 4-8 diffret classes. Usually enough to have a variety, but not enough to make picking a challenge. Then there is games like League of Legends. There is so many champions that Riot can make new toons that can defeat other toons. Then those toons will have a weakness. So when 1 toon is really popular, it won't be long till the toon that can beat that one is found.

Making a game balanced and knowing 100% it is balanced is impossible. The problem comes to the players. The players are naturally good or bad. Some better then others. The bad players tend to call any class they lose to constantly OP. Not because they are OP, but becasue the player is bad. This makes it hard for a game to be balanced. Even if it was, no one would know.

Forsaken world is balanced far better then 80% of other F2P MMOs and a 50% P2P MMOs.




-Side Note
Someone said something about certain trees being specified for PvP, which doesn't leave alot of room to make your own toon...

That is COMPLETELY wrong. No one is stopping you from doing another tree in PvP or making your own. People tell you what is best, but instead of experimenting you follow the leader and do as told. Then you complain about having no customization to the trees. There is 1 tree clearly made for PvP for every class. Who says you have to follow it? Why not make you own? Maybe a Hybrid? Mix it up. No one is stopping you but yourself.
Try Playing a Marksman Where an Assassin Can Kill you even before you Shoot a Skill at it.
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12-10-2012, 09:12 AM
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Try Playing a Marksman Where an Assassin Can Kill you even before you Shoot a Skill at it.
ohhh the irony in that name, OneShotUDie.................. if u get the chance to shoot ofc
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12-10-2012, 12:24 PM
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When did I say marksman arn't under powered? Everyone says that there is classes that are over powered, but when it comes to the people dieing. I find it only being Marksman. I know they arn't as underpowered as everyone makes it out to be. I know they are under powered though. So stop complaining, and play the game. PvP isn't the whole game. Marksman arn't horrible in PvE.

As far as my "theoretical bs" is concerned. It makes way more sense then "well people just play it cause it is over powered" theory that you guys believe. It actually makes PERFECT sense and explains it.
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12-10-2012, 05:00 PM
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When did I say marksman arn't under powered? Everyone says that there is classes that are over powered, but when it comes to the people dieing. I find it only being Marksman. I know they arn't as underpowered as everyone makes it out to be. I know they are under powered though. So stop complaining, and play the game. PvP isn't the whole game. Marksman arn't horrible in PvE.

As far as my "theoretical bs" is concerned. It makes way more sense then "well people just play it cause it is over powered" theory that you guys believe. It actually makes PERFECT sense and explains it.
To you, of course it does.
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12-11-2012, 02:49 AM
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When did I say marksman arn't under powered? Everyone says that there is classes that are over powered, but when it comes to the people dieing. I find it only being Marksman. I know they arn't as underpowered as everyone makes it out to be. I know they are under powered though. So stop complaining, and play the game. PvP isn't the whole game. Marksman arn't horrible in PvE.

As far as my "theoretical bs" is concerned. It makes way more sense then "well people just play it cause it is over powered" theory that you guys believe. It actually makes PERFECT sense and explains it.
Dying is Natural, I'm not QQing about dying. I've actually gotten to the sense where Marksmen are just not looked after as other Classes on this game in Terms of PvP (Don't tell me any Bullcrap about PvE because not everyone is like you). Hardly Anyone Plays a Marksman, If they are it's either an alt or just made it for fun because it looks cute coz it's a midget lmao.
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# 27
12-11-2012, 06:22 AM
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So this is just a Marksman suck thread? I wasn't sure if someone was claiming other classes were under powered.

Well nice job for stating the obvious. Although it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. It is bad but not like a black hole.

Ever stop to think, maybe it isn't other classes are over powered, but marksman are underpowered?

Since this is just a Marksman thread and people are going to rage and rant about it just to do so. You ranters will be happy to hear that I am out of this pointless conversation.
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# 28
12-13-2012, 05:12 AM
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the first thing that should be done is prevent the csed items frm being able to be traded...second thing newpatch gave sins more damage and buff i guess ill throw back my 72 dark vamp and reroll to a werewolf sin..
Wow really?
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# 29
12-13-2012, 09:47 AM
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Ok, since everyone is QQing.

Sins are SOOOOO underpowered! i mean really, ONLY silencing for 7 seconds max [if edge]! Really should be a 100% chance to stun for 7 seconds, or silence for 14 seconds, on every skill except assasinate. which should 1 shot anything no matter what, because cmon, that name!

Oh, and only having one stealth that can be used in combat? sheesh so underpowered! we definately need 2 or 3 more stealths that can be used in combat.. and they should all remove all cc effects too!


As for crit chance, 30% is wayyy too low, 50 or 60% minimum for sins. Could be implemented simply by increasing fatality to say.. 20% per level, instead of 3%. Easy enough, and wayyyy more balanced! Also, all sins should be given 1000% base crit damage, to ensure that nice meaty oneshot.


How could you call us "Assassins" if we can be hit like ordinary mortals! base eva of 3000 should fix that imbalance.



Overall, Assassins Underpowered! Buff them plox!






This post is ALMOST as serious as the rest of the thread.
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# 30
12-13-2012, 10:09 AM
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If I hear another QQ about MMs, you're not playing right.

To make an OP precision MM costs like $5 in electricity. No mastery, the cheapest gems on the market and some reIDs from Fort Khoaway.

To make a good PVP toon that can kite, CC, get immunity to CC, go soul.

Burst sucks though if you compare to wind or fire mages sure, but of course everything can't be equal.

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ILikeBigGuns, if a vamp hit 70k normal wrath on a priest through his bubble, i'd like to see the combat log on that. If "greatly improved" and "wrath is maxed out" and "critical" are not in that sentence, I would be VERY surprised. No vamp has ever hit me for 70k, crit or noncrit. So I call BS unless you have an unusual situation.

But will a blood warrior one shot you with some wrath and sacrifice? Will a sin gank you from stealth? Sure, but will you CC those two from a distance and kite them untill they run out of wrath at other times? Yes. That is what I call balance.

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Sins are underpowered though, so they do need a buff. I like the venom PVP additions, but venom PVE is too crappy. Give back teh mutilation whatever that was.
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